The Devil and Shelley Lubben, Episode 1 & 2

47 Comments on The Devil and Shelley Lubben, Episode 1 & 2

Jim Mazz on Mon, 14th Feb 2011 8:47 pm


@LL – Nice. Just “nice”.

@LL & MW – Looks great! Thank you!

Michael Whiteacre on Mon, 14th Feb 2011 9:11 pm


Happy Anniversary, Shelley and Garrett!

Michael Whiteacre on Mon, 14th Feb 2011 9:27 pm


And there’s NO WAY I deserve more credit than you. You’re the peanut butter that holds the sandwich together, Lydia.

Julie Meadows on Mon, 14th Feb 2011 9:35 pm


It’s amazing. It’s really just brilliantly executed and hits every single important piece of information beautifully.

3ach on Mon, 14th Feb 2011 10:05 pm


“run on in incredible tangents”

Are you referring to that joe know piece of shit?

Julie Meadows on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 2:56 am


I’m referring to a few people who have gone out of their way to yammer on in favor of abusing women and then yammer on and on about compassion for women. I know people who talk just o hear themselves talk and they don’t care for anyone else sharing the floor. Real compassion requires listening, not just talking, and especially not talking over people who have something to say.

Anthony Kennerson on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 10:22 am


So far, just as i expected…an excellent piece of journalism and investigative journalism. Not to mention, a sterling defense of actual women rather than merely regurgitating talking points.

Don’t sell yourself short, Lydz….you and Mike did one hell of a job.

Why am I suspecting that “JoeKnow” is merely a sockpuppet for Darrah Ford…just as Darrah is merely a press agent for Shelley Lubben and the antiporn crowd pretending to care about the “girls in the industry”?? They remind me more of Teabaggers who infiltrate libreal/progressive blogs or threads just to rile things up and destroy debate through namecalling and thread-jacking. They don’t want a genuine debate; they just want to hear themselves shout over everyone else..and to shoot their opponents down.

And yet, in some places in the industry, they are treated as allies. Even allowed to use the industry’s own media to trash and bash performers. Unbelievable.

Anyways…great series so far.

Anthony

Michael Whiteacre on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 12:10 pm


Darrah Ford has so much venom inside her that, although she quite tellingly adopted the surname of another infamous detester of pornography, she should have more appropriately chosen the nom de plume, “black mamba.”

The ride is almost over for these guys.

Oh, and Michael Weinstein — since I’m aware you and your lackeys are reading this — I’m coming for you, too.

Anthony Kennerson on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 12:27 pm


BTW…just did my part to spread the virus, so to speak:

This Is How It’s Done, Cameron: “The Devil And Shelley Lubben” (A Whiteacre/Lee Production) — The Red Garter Club (Version 3.0)

Anthony

Michael on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 12:47 pm


Oh my god! I am so fucking PROUD of you! It’s really amazing – professional, articulate – makes me so proud to be part of the industry for 13 years! I can’t thank you and applaud you enough! LOVE seeing Melissa and Nina who I worked with many times and adore and respect! This piece is so concise – so brilliantly put together – and it’s only 30 minutes thus far! It’s great that you were able to put so much into this short piece that needs to be known! I refuse to accept anything Shelley says or does. Like many others, I have been on hundreds of sets and NEVER witnessed any of the atrocities she claims. We would send anyone home if they were drunk or on drugs and we provided an amazingly clean and safe studio and treated everyone with respect. I’m proud to be part of the industry and so thankful for all the intelligent, progressive and wonderful people I have met and become friends and colleagues with. You guys are amazing! Your piece is better than I could have even imagined! Congrats!

Patrick on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 12:55 pm


I have watched this a few more times and I am struck by the complete denial that Ms. Lubben is in. I have some personal context here. I grew up in an alcoholic home which classifies me as an adult child of an alcoholic and for some 20 years I blamed all my problems on my parents, their alcoholism, other people not treating me fairly, my terrible life etc. Until I entered a recovery program (al-anon) I really had no concept of how my life’s decisions were so messed up. I was good at avoiding my personal responsibility, blaming everyone else for my outcomes. Yes, I learned I was affected by the disease that permeated my life, but at the end of the day my reality was the one I created for myself. Even as I moved through recovery it took me some time to stop blaming the disease, which was like stage 2 of grieving – anger. I was angry at the disease, while completely ignoring its effects on me and not accepting step one; admitting I powerless over it.
I see the same thing in Ms. Lubben, as it takes one to know one. She is a self admitted drug addict and likely an alcoholic, yet her MO is to use porn as her scapegoat. If you are abused or addicted, than making adult movies is probably not a good choice, but then neither would be teaching, professional sports, politics or ironically clergy. In fact any profession that shines a spot light on you should be avoided, because all your blemishes become magnified and unless you have received an enormous amount of self help and a large dose of humility you will be controlled by the shame attached to the blemishes.
Porn cannot be the cause of your addiction anymore than eating fish on Fridays or skinning dipping at midnight. Any shame you feel is attached to you and your role in your own behaviour, not to any extraneous concept or force. Her denial is further fuelled by the notion that she caught all these terrible diseases. But she chooses to ignore her personal choices before entering the industry and upon exiting and instead of owning her behaviour, deflects it, by stating the industry did this to me. This is an example of someone who is morally and spiritually bankrupt. I couldn’t make you an addict unless you already were one, your addiction led you to the choices you made, but they are still your choices. I have a saying that I coined after several years of al-anon; “my skeletons are fully clothed and walk around out in the open with me every day. I am, neither ashamed nor controlled by them. They simply exist as part of who I am”. Until Ms. Lubben begins taking ownership of being an addict, without justification, her moral authority is fraudulent at best. If she truly were remorseful and had any humility, she would not be trying to throw an industry and people under the bus for her own profit and aggrandisement.

Julie Meadows on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 1:23 pm


Thank you, Anthony! Thank you, thank you, dear Michael, and thank you Patrick for making a beautiful point about personal responsibility. You said it perfectly, the only way it can be said so concisely, by someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. And you’re right about taking any spot in the limelight when you have very real problems. The industry didn’t create her. At this rate it appears it was victimized by her then and is being victimized by her now.

Harvey on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 7:40 pm


What are the actual contents of the care packages that she sends out? I read that there’s a video of Julie going through the contents?

alex on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 9:02 pm


it’s a sad story. nice work, guys.

Michael Whiteacre on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 9:26 pm


@Harvey – You will see soon.

@alex – Thank you. We have worked very hard on it.

Lydia is far too modest to take the credit that she deserves, so let me attempt to give proper attribution here:

Without Lydia’s work and research there would never have been any documentary. It was her philosophy, as well as her fierce determination to uncover and expose the truth, that propelled this project from Day One.

It was her dedication to this story, combined with her willingness to join me in creating the “AHF: Follow The Money” PSA about Michael Weinstein, which led me to suggest that we join forces and realize the project that became “The Devil And Shelley Lubben.” She is as smart as she is fearless; in other words, my ideal producing partner.

Lydia is truly “brains” behind the operation. My job was essentially to help develop organize the themes in a way that created a narrative which would (hopefully) be compelling to viewers. To the extent that we succeeded is to both our credit, but without Lydia’s work as the starting point, there would have been NO narrative at all.

Julie Meadows on Tue, 15th Feb 2011 11:03 pm


@Harvey–Without giving too much away, I just want to say that it’s useless crap neither you nor I could use to “rebuild our lives.”

@Alex–Thank you very much, and yes, it is sad.

@Michael–My dear friend for so many years, thank you. You are a treasure and I’m lucky to know you.

Oh… I said “treasure.” lol Can’t wait to see the poster!

Adam Wilcox on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 12:40 am


I enjoyed both videos. Everyone involved represented themselves well by making their points sensibly and articulately. Great job, Michael and Lydia – I look forward to seeing the rest of the documentary.

@Patrick I agree with Lydia – you made a terrific point about personal responsibility. Thanks for sharing your story.

Divinity33372 on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 7:58 am


Wow, powerful expose on loony lubben. I see the EXACT same arguments being used against sex workers on ALL levels:strippers, prostitutes and porn starts. Not only that but I see the same arguments being used to attack women’s right to access to a safe and legal abortion.

Props for pointing out the big mama MacKinnon.

I would also like to comment on the Cali. code on rape. They don’t acknowledge spousal rape as rape? Wow, that’s fucked up.

Michael Whiteacre on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 8:02 am


Yes, there is a spousal rape law in California, but since that did not apply to Shelley’s claims, we did not cover it.

California’s “Spousal / Marital Rape Law” is found in CA Penal Code 262, which was passed in the late 1970s.

Christina on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 8:10 am


Wow, just an awesome job you two. I thought I knew a lot about Shelley after I helped researching a story for my site but it turns out I was wrong, lol.

Anyway I think it is incredibly amazing that she thinks she got herpes and HPV from working in the industry when she was a prostitute for those years before hand and only went to the doctor one time. I bet that one time she didn’t even get a STD screening. Also, HPV can be contracted WITHOUT having sex. It’s contracted through skin to skin contact. That’s why there are now HPV vaccines. Which, if you are reading this and have a daughter, should seriously look into getting.

Michael Whiteacre on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 8:16 am


Thank you, Christina Please help spread the word about this charletan, and about this docuentary on which Lydia and I have ben working so very hard.

Christina on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 8:17 am


I forgot to mention this as well.

She admits to being a drug addict and alcoholic before starting in the industry. Now obviously there are women and men in the industry that have/had problems with drugs and alcohol before entering the industry. Someone in that state of mind, similar to what Shelley describes herself as being in, should not enter the industry. If you do then being abused and taken advantage of is a real possibility.

The same thing happens in mainstream media. The producers and directors know who has drug and alcohol problems but they still use them because that person can make them money. A good example is Charlie Sheen. He should have been gotten help a long time ago but the people involved with the show were ok with it because he could still deliver. Now look what’s happening. He’s a mess, the show’s on hiatus and may not ever come back because he can’t stay clean.

Michael Whiteacre on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 8:26 am


Exactly, but no one advocated ending mainstream entertainment because of Charlie Sheen, or Robert Downey Jr, or countless other cases.

Christina on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 8:36 am


No problem Michael. I still need to get you your interview but I will try and work something up on my blog and website and redirect it here.

Michael Whiteacre on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 9:33 am


I will do my utmost to make myself available to you, Christina.

Christina on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 9:59 am


One more thing and then I will shut up lol.

Now Shelley claims all this stuff happens on porn sites. Her only proof of this is her own experience and what she is told by the women she “saves”. Now other than heresay, what proof does she have that any of this stuff is happening. I’m not even going to say she was lying about all the drugs and stuff on the set of her movies. I wasn’t there so I can’t say definitively. Now you do have one person, Guy DiSilva, saying that in the case of the gangbang that she was definitely not given any drugs and that she was aggressive and in control of the scene.

It amazes me that her “disciples” don’t see through this very issue.

Patrick on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 10:12 am


@Christina, exactly and well said. I continue to be amazed at the double standard that some apply to Adult Entertainment vs Mainstream Entertainment, especially as evidence seems to suggest that line between them is blurred more and more each passing day. Industries can no more be blamed for producing dysfunctional people than the post office can be blamed for a worker who takes a gun into a branch office and shoots fellow co-workers.

Julie Meadows on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 12:14 pm


The “disciples” don’t know any better, and the women she “saves” could be people recruited by people for her. It’s a wild stab at making sense of it, but it seems to me that the women she helps come from a seedy pool of porn that almost no one knows about. Minus Nadia Styles, I’ve never heard of any of the women she’s helped and they all seem to have worked for people I’ve never heard of, unless they all just come from Jim Lane’s court. He’s know for combining “reality television” tactics with orgies and gangbangs. The best way to even know who these women worked for is to find their movies, I guess, and try to match up the companies they have in common because I’ve never heard of any company in LA shooting movies on “private mansions”, and springing a throng of guys on them. Lubben seems to have some deep dark niche going with someone in order to find these women.

Michael on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 1:19 pm


I forgot to say it was brilliant to have Guy DiSilva give his memory of the Roxy Ranch gangbang… I’ve always respected him and it’s amazing he remembers that scene from many years ago. There are just too many obvious inconsistencies in everything Shelley says/does. And her part making fun of the “chinaman” trick from her taxi-dancing days disgusted me. Everything about her disgusts me. And yeah, what “private mansion” would she even be at back when she did her few low-end movies? She disrespects everyone and won’t take any personal responsibility for her choices. She’s a lunatic and I’m so glad you both are working so well/hard to get the truth out. I can’t thank you enough.

Anthony Kennerson on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 2:21 pm


Of course, it may just be that those women she “recruits” for the PCF are simply those whom she successfully blackmailed (as she tried but failed with Taryn Thomas) by threatening to “out” some of their more notorious shoots.

And…it is so funny that she seems to find D-list performers down on their luck to pimp (yes, Ministeress, I said “pimp” ‘cuz that’s what you are doing…just using God instead of sex…come sue me) her crusade. I mean, wouldn’t her campaign have just a bit more cred if she landed a more higher-ranked performer, like, say, Shyla Stylez or Bree Olson or Eva Lawerence??

Oh, but wait….the latter three are either (1) already Christians who have no problem reconciling their personal faith with their profession, or simply don’t give a damn about what anyone thinks; (2) generally perform without much harmful aftereffects because they KNOW what they are geting into and make responsible and informed choices about whom and where they fuck; and (3) They forgot more in their areiolae about how to handle the pitfalls of the porn biz than Shelley or her proteges could even begin to remember.

But hey…glamming yourself around a fundamentalist church, dropping Bible quotes sprinkled with smack about how “diseased” everyone is, and using right-wing social networks to get paid sure makes it all better…doesn’t it??

Anthony

Anthony Kennerson on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 2:27 pm


Oooh, oooh, oooooh…something just came to me.

Wasn’t it around that time when Shelley was performing that the LAPD were busting porn sets left and right under the guise of fighting prostitution??

If Shelley was really raped back then like she claims now, then wouldn’t just one call to the LAPD back then easily resolve that problem in an instant?? As Nina said on the vid, I’m sure that DGates and the officios would have multiple wargasms with the publicity of busting porn sets for mass gang rape.

Not even Linda Lovelace in her antiporn days stooped that low to lie like that.

Anthony

Michael Whiteacre on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 2:59 pm


Anthony, funny you should mention my friend Eve Laurence. Shelley contacted Eve on MySpace back around the same time she contacted Taryn Thomas — with the same basic email. Eve told her to fuck off.

Eve actually did develop medical problems following her time in porn, which she believes are HPV-related, but Eve is also nobody’s victim and not the kind of person to become a “disciple” of someone like Lubben. She has her own business, and is in charge of her own life. A terrific person.

As for my old friend Shyla, I am quite certain that she would tell Lubben to fuck right off in no uncertain terms as well. Youll have to trust me on that one.

3ach on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 6:43 pm


The videos have attracted the attention of Lubben’s retarded flock, one of them saying that Michael “is full of shit.” Of course I know that wont affect you, Michael =).

I saw a photo of Jan Meza and Heather Jabornik with Eve Laurence on Cuntbag’s FB. The caption read: “Jan and Heather had a long, beautiful conversation with porn star Eve Laurence. We love you, Eve, and we are praying for you!”

I bet that’s not what really happened.

Michael. you are good friends with Shyla Stylez? Nice!

Looking foward to parts 3 and 4!

UP MY BUNS! UP MY BUNSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

Christina on Wed, 16th Feb 2011 7:47 pm


Well yeah, Shelley knew about the movie so of course they were going to keep an eye out for when it got released.

As for her flock. Hey, you can’t argue with actual video and audio proof of what she is saying and how she contradicts herself.

Michael Whiteacre on Thu, 17th Feb 2011 8:55 am


@3ach – Yes, I met Shyla in 2003, cast her in her first softcore roles in 2004 (some I directed, like Call Girl Wives, and Shyla’s scene in Alabama Jones and The Busty Crusade, some I produced, like Sexual Suspects) and she and I were a romantic item for a little while. If not for her being in my life at that time (2003-2004) I would have never started directing. But we believed in each other, and I knew I had a star on my hands who possessed enough charisma to carry these movies, particularly CGW. She is a wonderful young woman, a dedicated performer and a good friend. When she worked for me she used the name Amanda Auclair.

Episodes 3 & 4 are coming together. Lydia and I look forward to everyone seeing them.

Rodger on Sat, 19th Feb 2011 5:16 pm


Christina provided the link to her via Girlfriends Films, so thanks Christina.
What’s sad or maddening about all this is that even with a preponderence of evidence against her the folks who need to see this won’t see it nor be swayed in any way by the truth.
But we still need to keep fighting the good fight and spread the word.

Julie Meadows on Sat, 19th Feb 2011 7:06 pm


There will be people who believe her, unwaveringly. She is charismatic and plenty of people like her just because she puts herself out there, even if she does say crazy things, but there are people, as well, who will see the compiled footage, people who only read one article, or only watched one speech, who will see the erratic behavior and inconsistencies in the things she says and at least step back a little and wonder if maybe they shouldn’t be listening to someone else, or investigating everything themselves. Even if it’s a few people, we’ve done something significant.

Rodger, you are right, and I think the most incredible thing in all this is that it could actually be the first honest representation of the American Los Angeles-based adult industry. No one’s ever gone this far before to bring people together to present an argument in favor of the adult industry against predators like Lubben and Gail Dines. Once these people are shut down as voices of reason, a real conversation can begin. I’m shocked in this day and age that this is still an issue.

William Belle on Sat, 19th Feb 2011 9:03 pm


An interesting situation with Ms. Lubben. I am looking forward to hearing more.
Roxy aka Shelley Lubben vs. the (porn) world

Rodger on Sun, 20th Feb 2011 7:07 am


I saw on the Girlfriends Film forum that part 2 has been taken down from YouTube. I hope you guys can post it somewhere else so those who missed it can view it.

Julie Meadows on Wed, 23rd Feb 2011 3:15 am


@Rodger–Done! Just fixed it here, finally! And you can see it at http://www.TheDevilAndShelleyLubben.com

Brian M on Fri, 25th Mar 2011 5:20 am


First, I’ll say that I really enjoyed this video. Very informative and entertaining. Great work Lydia and Michael!

In part two, when Nina Hartley was talking about how a porn star could simply call 911 if they find themselves in a situation they don’t like; my thoughts went to Charlie Sheen’s hotel incident. Granted that incident had nothing to do with porn, but, Capri Anderson is (to my knowledge) still in the industry and had no trouble with calling someone. I would think that if someone was as constantly abused, as Shelley Lubben claims, that one may be too intimidated to call when they need help; including any situation that is similar to the abuse they normally suffer. (Maybe that isn’t a valid argument; I did get a C in Logic)

While I have my Wal-Mart Psych degree out, let me also say that Shelley Lubben, based on her own words, is schizophrenic as hearing voices that aren’t there is a symptom of that illness. It would also explain her paranoia of the adult industry; based on how much of a threat (to her) it is.
Plus, I believe she said she’s bipolar. An illness whose symptoms, in the worst cases, will give the person hallucinations and delusions. Hope she’s on her meds and that none of her followers drink the Kool-Aid that she claims will allow them to chat with God too.

I wasn’t sure at first but I had recently confirmed something; I had seen Shelley Lubben’s appearance on the 700 Club when it originally aired. I watched it for the same reason that I occasionally watch Fox News; I like to see what the “crazy people” have to say ‘this time’. When they mentioned a former porn star would be on I thought it should be interesting. What I had seen was shocking. The reason why it was shocking was that high school was the time I had my introduction to porn videos. So imagine when I learn, from a porn star’s own mouth, that by viewing pornography I’ve been contributing to the abuse of women.

Like my fellow commenter, Patrick, I too grew up in an alcoholic home. But unlike him, I was the other side of the coin, I blamed EVERYTHING on me. That perspective became so twisted that I had seen myself as a bad person. Before high school I did things that seemed like an attempt to prove it. So, after getting over those feelings, you could imagine how much it tore me apart to hear what Lubben had claimed I was doing by watching porn.

I, to put it mildly, frantically wanted proof that this wasn’t true (among other things that Lubben and people like her would want people to believe). I eventually found out that the government in an attempt to close down pornography for good, had the industry examined. Primarily their focus was to find conclusive proof that viewing pornography was harmful. They found nothing. It would seem plausible that after Lubben’s government testimony that another investigation would target the harm done to performers. If so, I would say that investigation was also a waste of time since the industry is still around.

I’ve resolved many things that had troubled me back then but, because of people like Lubben, doubts about the industry still linger. Because of that tiny amount of doubt, a part of me still wonders if I’m a horrible person. Because of that at every opportunity I seek out some vindication to free myself from that last bit of doubt that Lubben has put in there. Intellectually I know that doubt is unwarranted but anyone who can relate with my situation would understand that nagging doubt. Unfortunately I doubt that anything ever will; well not immediately at any rate.

(Gosh that paragraph was full of ‘doubt’. )

Come to think of it.. Could I not sue Lubben, her Pink Cross Foundation, (and while I’m at it) the other anti-porn organizations for the 20+ years of mental anguish for giving me cause to believe that I’m a horrible person? Not only does that seem like a huge waste of time and effort, that I could put elsewhere (like my art, writing, etc), I also think it would put me on a lower closer to hers. *shudder*

On another note. I just noticed that Lydia has a link to Maddox’s “I’m Better Than Your Kids” website. I began visiting his other website after a friend told me to check it out. Then he wrote “Alphabet of Manliness” and the website that Lydia’s blog is linked to is supposedly to promote his second book. Definitely not things one should be reading if they are easily offended. Thought I’d share for the sake of the uninformed.

Julie Meadows on Sat, 26th Mar 2011 12:17 pm


I was raised with my mother being very religious in spurts and my dad not being religious at all. It was amusing. When my mother felt like connecting with her family she would go to the family church and drag us kids along and my dad would refuse. “Goddamnit, Donna!” he’d yell. Always cracked me up. Anyway, she’d get into it and finally wear him down and convince him to go, but by the time we’d arrive back at our house, not only had my Dad said every foul thing conceivable in explaining to my mother why he hated her family and church, my mother was resolved to never going back, at least for another six months to a year.

I never felt guilty about having sex. The one time my mother thought I was having sex with someone and threw a fit, I thought she was crazy and I probably have my dad to thank for that. Anything religious or socially bizarre, I felt instantly that it was an extreme alarmist perspective and had nothing to do with anything reality-based. I was always mature for my age, so I did exactly what I wanted and I never tried to hurt anyone. I had a clear conscience and a biological urge to discover my body. Right or wrong, I have enjoyed my time on this earth, so far.

Most of the people I know live with a lot of guilt derived from their religious background. I’m writing back and forth with someone right now who went to Porn Church and had been in a group of porn addicts and finally realized that there’s nothing wrong with him. That he’s a man with sexual tendencies and that’s really all there is to it.

Brian M, you don’t sound like a horrible person to me. You sound pretty normal. I think it’s a shame when a decent person with a conscience is made to feel bad for no good reason beyond the guilt religious people feed so they in turn will feed their coffers. Some things are just natural.

I should take down that “I’m Better Than Your Kids” link. There are still only two pages to it.

The Lords son on Thu, 13th Oct 2011 1:47 am


Ever considered that Children look to their parents for support?.. ai even logically self responsibility requires guidance. you really cant expect a child to LEARN right from the momas womb without a TUTOT to teach them. and your constant acts to PORN has made you NUMB to reality, you justify a wrong act duely because your own life is majorly corrupt and ddestroyed. you dont see it or maybe already do but have already been able to berry it inside you for a long time and now are a pro on it. but i tell you RELIGIOUS BACK GROUND or not, your very self HEART condemns you, i see a “LIBERAL” nature in you, but you know you “TRAPPED” and CAGED in a world of Purvesity and dont want to GO OUT of it cause you been defensive about , prideful as well and not SUBMISSIVE TO REALITY. My dear, consider the people who have actually BEEN DELIVERED, from such atrocities, you think they living a life thats mythical? Contact them, have a personal conversion and observation of them,and those that new them in the porn industry. STOP drowning in stupity and try gather some TRUTH. 200 adult films madam Meadows does strike a THORN in ur heart, i bet you felt complete disgust and berried it in DRUGS and ALCOHOLS and due to some vengeaful motive, you want other poeple to drown in the same boat. GET REAL its easier to FIGHT these things knowing you doing the RIGHT THING rather than defending the countless deaths(suicide), rapes, drug and alcohol usages that are killing these ladies and men and making them similar to ANIMALS.. Its either that which i have stated or you are possessed or a satanist in disguise or are EARNING MONEY in this whole blog of Foolishness and stupidity. its literally COW DUNG.. i apologise for any offences or hurts, but thats my view of the WHOLE ordeal and even if your words dont acknowledge, i know in your heart you do, and very much want to be FREED. and you know where to go, thats the LORD JESUS CHIRST….

Lydia Lee on Thu, 13th Oct 2011 12:20 pm


@TLS–I will let you comment this once, but I will delete every comment thereafter if you prove you are incapable of having a conversation.

You people go on and on like robots, but you’re wrong. Taking away everyone’s right to enjoy their personal experience in this world just because you have a belief that is different only makes a few people happy. The other extreme is also true. If you take away every law, you only make a few people happy. Most people want rules, but they don’t want the rules shoved down their throats unnecessarily.

Are you suggesting that people who have sex for money molest children and/or are pure evil? It’s not that black and white, and you’ll never convince me that it is.

I don’t care if you like my site, I don’t care what you think about my life. Don’t bring your brainwashing to my door. I’m not at your site telling you you are a satanist. You are at MY site preaching your sermon. You do not know my mind or my heart and you never will until you start owning your own.

I don’t need to worship ghosts to live with my conscience. If you do then you’ve got one very guilty conscience… Dear.

Anthony Kennerson on Thu, 13th Oct 2011 7:02 pm


Ahhhh..dude, dude….

If you are going to attempt to lecture Ms. Lee on her lack of Christian virtue, at the very least learn some grammar or mix in a good spell checker. The Lord probably won’t take too kindly to you taking His name in vain with constant misspellings and bad logic.

And, how nice of you to say that you, because you have a Bible in your hand and can quote Scripture verse and syllable, can tell a person whom you haven’t even met in person how she should feel. Funny, but I thought that clairvoyance was the root of the Devil.

Then again, TLS, maybe that’s because the same hand you use for condemning Julie/Lydia just might be the hand you use for….well, another thing. At least I don’t have to be in denial about that…but then again, I don’t judge people merely by their breast size or the volume of their zealotry, but by how they actually treat others and how true they are to themselves.

The energy you waste attempting to convert Julie/Lydia would be better spent dealing with your own myopia and repressed desires. Or…perhaps, a copy of “Roxy’s Gang Bang”. Just sayin’.

Anthony

Lydia Lee on Thu, 13th Oct 2011 10:24 pm


LOL!!!

Racer X on Sat, 22nd Oct 2011 9:48 pm


I just watched the first two parts of this documentary and they are quite enlightening! She is another example of someone manipulating others through religious rhetoric and actions.

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